Well, I can speak now to uh the Reformed
UK deputy leader uh Richard Ty. Good
morning, Richard. Good morning.
Everybody's talking about about you.
Let's let's start with uh the leader of
the Church of England who says that your
policy on asylum is
>> isolationist, short-term, and knee-jerk.
What What part of that is wrong? All of
it's wrong because our policy on asylum
seekers and removing those who are here
illegally is to look after the people
that the British government is supposed
to look after, which is the British
people, and to make them more
prosperous, to improve the quality of
public services for British citizens.
And you've now got a government that's
basically admitted the opposite is true.
They're more interested in protecting
the rights of uh people who've come here
illegally, therefore they are criminals,
than looking after the rights of British
citizens. That's the dividing line. And
that's why the latest poll shows that at
35% we're 15 points ahead of a
disappearing Labor party.
>> Well, well, let's not argue about uh
individual polls. There's no question
that you guys are ahead, but um is there
a problem though for you that this is a
clear statement of of policy, but
credible governments uh make agreements
with other parties internationally? Um
what you're basically saying is in the
end what matters is what we want for our
people and deals that we might have made
uh over periods of time with the United
Nations with other countries in Europe
with others they can all go by the
wayside because uh we need to get
reelected.
>> So are you are you suggesting that a
70-year-old outofdate unfit forpurpose
agreement is more important than
actually looking after the interests of
the British citizens today? Let me tell
you I'm suggesting that when you make a
promise
>> and that is why we're leading the polls
and why the Westminster class is so out
of touch with how furious people are.
>> I'm suggesting that when you make a
promise to a partner whether it be
another individual or another country,
you need to keep it or if
>> for as long as it works for a government
and our citizens
>> or if you want to change it, you have to
get that get you get you need to do that
with agreement rather than unilaterally.
you give due notice. So if it's six
months notice, we give six months
notice. It's just the same as in a in a
business contract when you're renting a
property. You come to the
>> You're never going to do business with
people who suddenly turn up and say, "By
the way, we've changed our mind." No,
>> you are never going to do that.
>> We we you what you do is you do business
on the basis of the uh the laws and the
notice period for an international
agreement. Most international treaties
have an exit clause, a termination
clause. Frankly, if they don't, then
that's negligent in itself. Let's let's
go back to the key point. This
government seems to have forgotten that
it is elected to look after the
interests of the British people and to
make us more prosperous. And if it
abandons that duty, frankly, they should
give up and call a general election.
>> Are you um saying to the Archbishop uh
essentially, keep your nose out of
politics? Look, I'm a Christian. I enjoy
the church. uh I believe in in uh in God
but no the role of the archbishop is not
actually to interfere with international
migration policies that is determined by
the government
>> but it is his it is his job to tell us
uh what he thinks and what the church
thinks is morally right and that's very
different that's very different from
international migration policy
>> and and don't governments have some
responsibility to demonstrate moral
behavior or is it just a business
transaction being in
It's a bit of both, but fundamentally
>> No, no, you can't have it. You can't
have it both ways. You
>> It's not an either or, but
fundamentally, I repeat, the role of the
government is to make people better off,
to improve our public services, to
improve access to housing. And by
removing hundreds of thousands of people
who are here illegally, we'll ease the
pressure on the housing market, will
ease the pressure on the labor market,
and that'll lead to higher wages.
Because currently with give or take a
million people illegally potentially
working in the UK that is suppressing
British wages with a huge black market.
>> All right. Can I just get ask you to
talk about one thing clearly? Um you
want your counselors to object to
presence of asylum hotels in their areas
and you said pursue legal means. Uh can
you be clear with us that there is no
encouragement from your party to the
sort of person uh who wants to break
into asylum hotels in masks and to
intimidate asylum seekers?
>> Of course. What a ridiculous suggestion.
Trevor,
>> it's not a ridiculous suggestion.
>> It is a ridiculous suggestion. We have
ridiculously
finish. Let me finish. Whether it's
ridiculous
I want to give you the opportunity to
say it's ridiculous. That's the point of
this interview,
>> which is exactly what I'm saying. It's
an outrageous suggestion. Of course,
we're not suggesting that. We've always
suggested lawful, peaceful protest.
Nothing else.
>> All right, let's talk about your broader
plans on this area. You want to stop
illegal immigrants landing in the first
place. Um, you've talked about deploying
the Royal Navy. What would sailor's
orders be? Would it be that they should
sink small boats if they didn't turn
back?
>> I think you might be suffering a little
bit of August sunstroke, Trevor. Of
course, we're not saying sink boats. Get
a grip. We are saying we are saying
what's the point of putting the Royal
Navy out there?
>> The point of putting the Royal Navy out
there is to act as a deterrent alongside
our deportation policy which will deter
people from coming because everybody
will know if they land on these shores
they will be detained, they will be
rapidly processed and they will be
deported.
>> This is very interesting. Um, most
deterrents uh work because the deter is
going to do what he or she says they're
going to do.
>> If you put the Royal Navy out there,
what are they? Are they just interested
observers?
>> Yes. In a sense, in a sense, that's what
the wasting Navy's time.
>> That's what the border force are
currently there for. They're but they're
acting as a taxi service.
>> Well, why are you wasting the Navy's
time just out there having a look?
Assuming we're right, and we think we
are, that our our policy of deportations
and detaining and deporting works within
weeks, the incentive to come here will
finish. So, it doesn't matter whether
it's Royal Navy out there or not.
Therefore, we enjoy the success that
Australia had some 12 years ago when
they had a push back policy. And guess
what?
>> But you're not answering my question.
What is the point of putting the Royal
Navy in the channel if they are not
going to take aggressive actions against
a small boat?
>> It's all part action. It's all part of a
terance. And you know what you do? Just
like in business, you make a decision,
you try something. If it works, you keep
pursuing it. If it's not working, you
tweak, you adapt, you adjust. That's how
you work in business. And that's how
governments should run. And you try a
variety of measures. We've put forward
very clear plans. That's why we're
leading in the polls because people
clearly understand if you're here
illegally, you're going to be detained
and deported. If you come here illegally
on small boats, you're going to be
detained and you're going to be
deported. You're going to put people in
disused military facilities and then
deport them to a third country. Um, is
are there any countries with whom you
wouldn't do a deal? Afghanistan,
Sudan?
>> We we will look to do return deals with
a variety of countries. And do you know
what? Sometimes in business you do
business with people you don't like. If
we want if we want a ceasefire in Gaza,
you've got to do a deal with the vile
terrorist Hamas. If we want a ceasefire
in Ukraine, you've got to do a deal with
the vile monster Putin. Okay? And if we
want to return people to places like
Afghanistan, you may have to deal do a
deal with the Taliban. Sometimes things
are difficult. Sometimes you deal with
people you may not be best buddies with
and go to the pub with. With respect uh
you you said four times uh that in
business you do this or you do that.
Well, you know, I'm also in business,
but the truth is that there are things
you cannot do if you are an elected
government that you would do in
business. So, just to be clear, there's
no barrier from your point of view doing
deals uh with countries uh that their
human rights records, the likelihood of
people being tortured and so on uh makes
no difference. You would not, for
example, you would probably then have to
resolve from the refugee convention,
would you? We've already said, Nigel was
very clear last Tuesday that we will uh
we will essentially dergate from
whatever international treaties are
necessary in order to make this policy
effective because once again, let me be
100% clear for everybody. We have to
look after the interests of the British
citizens. We're not responsible for
every monstrous despotic regime all over
the world. We're responsible for our
conduct, aren't we? we're responsible
for British citizens and to make us more
more prosperous. And I'll tell you why I
use the word business for who we decide
are our friends. If we keep spending
more than we're earning, right, we're
going to go bust as a country in the
same way that businesses go bust. That's
why the 30-year guilt yield is rising to
completely unsustainable levels.
>> Okay. Elon Musk says that the British
government has declared war on British
people. Over the top or fair comment?
>> Um Mr. Musk enjoys uh free speech and
sometimes he might be over the top,
sometimes it might be fair comment. In a
sense, what he says is not relevant to
me or us. We're focused on what's right
for the British people.
>> All right. Um can I ask you about
something else that the Archbishop has
talked about and that's the two child
cap on benefit. Um I think you would
scrap it. Is that correct? Yeah, we want
a we want a child benefit system that
encourages uh more British families,
more British births because we've got a
we've got a democratic demographic
problem at the moment. But equally, we
need a welfare system that gets people
back into work and stops people making
the life ch lifestyle choice of
essentially deciding not to work.
>> So, you scrap it. You scrap it. Can I
just ask you if you would agree with
Gordon Brown's um way of paying for uh
getting rid of it, which is um
essentially a sin tax, uh gambling tax.
We agree with Gordon Brown on probably
zero. Although he does agree with me,
for example, on not paying voluntary
interest on the uh Bank of England's
printed reserves, but we we'll decide
how to pay for it in our way. That's the
reality.
>> Oh, so you're not ruling out a gambling
tax?
We're not setting a policy for a budget
in four years time after the next
general election that we win. Um on your
show, however brilliant.
>> You've already done that on on child
benefits. Uh cat, you said a policy. So
why not on this?
>> Because you're asking a very specific
about to to link something directly.
>> Okay. Okay. Uh you complain when we
don't take you seriously and now you're
complaining when I'm asking you what you
do as government. Anyway,
>> wonderful to see you,
>> Richard Ty. Thank you for your time this
morning.